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  wall clay
Posted by: Robin_G_Hewitt - 14-11-2004, 01:07 AM - Forum: Shotgun - Replies (3)

I took my camcorder to a clayshoot, here's me vapourising a driven clay with a wall gun. (5 oz of #8 over 10 drams).<br><br>The tragedy is that we can't put videos in the Newsletter because next up is Alan Overton. His first clay hits a tree branch, no bird. I don't think he was ready for the 28 lb trigger because the next one flies by unchallenged, he turns slightly towards the footpath and gets his nose severely rubbed in it by Pete Dunn  :o Number three hits the branch again and we start to wonder how many times a body can lift this thing.  Number four goes off without a hitch. Boom. A fine day out ;D<br><br>[Image: driven.jpg]

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  P-56 Army Short Rifle
Posted by: Oyvind - 13-11-2004, 12:52 AM - Forum: Musket & Rifle - Replies (8)

Hello<br><br>I recently purchased a mint condition P-56 Army Short Rifle cal. .577. The lock is marked “Tower 1858” on the lock and it has the broad arrow government mark stamped several places. It has the following markings:<br><br>Lock (inside): W. Corbett<br>Barrel (underside): J. Turner & Sons<br>Stock (barrel channel): T. Turner, A. Davis and Cooper & Goodman<br><br>It is probably a Birmingham made contract gun. As far as I understand C. H. Roads’ “The British Soldier’s Firearms” a lot of the P-56 was made on contract in Birmingham and London.<br><br>However, what is the difference of the broad arrow stamp and the W.D. stamp? Mine has the arrow, but not the W.D.<br><br>According to De Witt Bailey in “British Military Longarms” the P-56’s made from 1858 should have the progressive depth rifled bore so I hope it can be a decent shooter despite of the slow twist.<br><br>Here's some of the markings:<br><br>[img]www.svartkrutt.net/p56markings_barrel.jpg[/img]<br><br>[img]www.svartkrutt.net/p56markings1.jpg[/img]<br><br>Best regards, Oyvind<br>

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  Range ventilation
Posted by: caxton - 12-11-2004, 06:40 PM - Forum: Black Powder Chat - No Replies

Can anyone point me in the right direction, or give me advice on, to what standard indoor range ventilation should be to cope with the smoke produced by BP firearms? We are concerned that the ventilation in our 25m indoor range, while more than adequate for nitro shooting, is not up to the job for BP. Smoke takes 10-15 minutes to clear after shooting and can be pretty impenetrable during shooting. Club management is concerned that this poses a danger and, being conscious of our responsibility for health and safety, want to do something about it asap. <br><br>Currently we have extracts at the firing points and at the butts. These work pretty well as when turned up to max, a gale enters by the intakes on the rear wall of the firing points - well above the HSE recommended minimum of 0.25m/s. Any thoughts?

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  Birmingham Gun Trade - new book
Posted by: bill_curtis - 12-11-2004, 09:10 AM - Forum: Books & Ephemera - Replies (3)

I have just been pleasantly surprised to receive a copy, with the Author’s Compliments, of a book to which I was able to provide some slight help a couple of years ago while it was being researched.<br>This new book is a refreshing change from the normal.  It covers 200 years of the Birmingham gun making trade in an extraordinarily detailed manner concentrating upon manufacturing techniques, machinery and the interrelationship between the many minor trades which combined to produce the completed arm.  The very many original photographs, drawings and other illustrations distributed throughout the text, instead of being pushed together in a single block, make this a very easy book to consult.<br>The importation of American technology, especially in the enormous production of Enfield type arms during the Civil War is well covered and there are extensive pictures of the numerous gauges used.<br>In short THE BIRMINGHAM GUN TRADE by David Williams (Tempus Publishing, Stroud, UK, 2004,  -  ISBN 0 7524 3237 0) 191 pages, priced at 17.99 sterling in softback is a book which all serious scholars in our field must have.  I should prefer to have such a book in hardback which would be well worth the extra in my opinion but needs must, I suppose.<br>It will be stocked by Mike Dingle of Prospect Books whose e-mail is prospectbooks@aol.com<br><br>

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  What is it?
Posted by: FBoulton - 08-11-2004, 07:57 PM - Forum: Musket & Rifle - Replies (1)

I picked up another an antique rifle. It appears to be 19th Century American off-hand target rifle with a typical percussion lock-but it is a bolt action breech loader.<br>The chamber is no known calibre. It takes a small cartridge, similar to a .32 short but tapered. Striations on the muzzle indicate that this is a cartridge muzzle loader, loaded from the front over a dummy round and then fired by a centrefire black powder blank. Only marks are a "3", the letters "TD" and "76".<br>Has anybody seen anything like this befroe?<br>Fred.

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  P\'61 Artillery or 3rd Model Carbine
Posted by: bill_curtis - 07-11-2004, 06:46 AM - Forum: Musket & Rifle - Replies (10)

The Pattern 1861 Artillery or Third Model Carbine <br><br>A new thread to start you thinking.   The 1853 and 1856 Artillery models were very similar, differing mainly in the ramrod and the method of securing it.  The /56 also had the beefed up Type 2 lock.<br><br>However, with the introduction of the new 5 groove Short Rifles it was decided to redesign the Artillery model as a 5 groove 1/48 with a new rear sight like a small version of the /53 Rifle-Musket instead of the carbine type leaf sights of the earlier models.<br><br>It was decided not proceed immediately with major production of this arm and the initially limited production was retained in store and never issued.  Meanwhile, the advent of breech-loading was looming and with its arrival the stock of /61 Artilleries were all converted to Snider.  Or were they ??<br><br>Between 1882 and 1885 (dates that I have seen) there was a demand from the newly established Government of India for supplies of rifled muzzle loading small arms to replace the smoothbore arms previously issued in the wake of the Mutiny to keep the Native Troops at a disadvantage.  This was intended to reflect the improved breech loading arms of the European Units while still retaining the imbalance against Native Troops.<br><br>These arms were newly made up at Enfield by using old parts from stock with some new production.  All those I have seen have been to full original Pattern Specification and quality but the RMA ENFIELD roundels are centred with ‘I’ mark for India.  Above the roundel there is the year (from 1882 to 1885, may be others?), below the roundel the ‘1’ for First Class.<br><br>Earlier this year I was amazed to learn of the existence of three original unconverted /61 Artilleries which had just been discovered in Kabul  (cries of YUK but don’t knock it, a lot of quality production got there via India).   Apart from the Royal Armouries example these arms just do not exist.  To cut a long story short, they have been recovered.  One has been given to the Museum of the NRA of America who were very pleased to add this to the Collection.<br><br>I have the other two here.  The Barrels were made at Enfield in 1865 and the standard Enfield made locks are dated 1862 and 1856 (the first year Enfield produced the /53 lock).<br><br>As is usual with Kabul (real) Enfields, they have been used for donkey’s years without ever changing the nipple and the gas erosion has not been very helpful.<br><br>The fact remains, however, that here is a tiny group of incredibly rare Enfields which MUST finish up in a specialist collection.  One has gone to NRA,  I have the other two here.<br><br>These are not shooters but if a serious collector contacts me I have been asked to try and find a suitable home for them.<br><br>Talk to me off site on <wsc@billcurtis.demon.co.uk> <br>

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  Whitworth Cartridges
Posted by: ResearchPress - 06-11-2004, 07:13 PM - Forum: Musket & Rifle - Replies (4)

I came across a letter published in the Times of 16 October 1868. The writer is commenting on the positive results of an inquiry into allegations that he tampered with the issue cartridges and changed the wadding while shooting for the Queen's Prize at the NRA rifle meeting. What interested me was the following description of the Whitworth Cartridge:<br><br>"To those who do understand the construction of the Whitworth cartridge, I may explain that the bullet is a mechanical fit, and has a wad attached to the base composed of grease, placed between two copper discs which exactly fit the bore of the rifle. In some instances I seperated the wad from the cartridge, and pushed it down separately upon the powder and the bullet afterwards, which I had a perfect right to do, though it is contrary to the usual custom of ramming down the wad and bullet together."<br><br>I had not come across a description of the wad before and specificaly the copper discs. Were these discs always used in Whitworth cartridges?<br><br>David

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  International scores
Posted by: Briggers - 04-11-2004, 03:35 AM - Forum: Black Powder Chat - Replies (2)

Hi All, <br> <br>I have just updated the results page on the MLAIC website, there are now results back to 1996. <br> <br>David Brigden

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  Wanted
Posted by: cositrike - 23-10-2004, 01:17 AM - Forum: Sales & Wants - Replies (1)

Hi Everyone<br>I have a sporterised rolling block in swedish 12.7mm calibre (near 50/70), but the barrel is very iffy.<br>I'm looking for a barrel for it, with a good bore, hopefully at a reasonable price.<br>Can anyone out there help me. In England that is. Importing is always such hassle.<br>Thanks<br>Simon

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  Return of An Old Friend
Posted by: Southron - 16-10-2004, 08:20 AM - Forum: Musket & Rifle - Replies (1)

Back in 1988 I had a Parker-Hale 1858 Naval Rifle that was literally stolen from me by my then, soon to be, ex-wife. The rifle was a sort of P-H "Hybrid" as I had replaced the P-H lock with an Euroarms L.A. Co lock after the P-H lockplate craked in 1978.<br><br>Anyway, by last year, the ex had  had "mellowed" somewhat and to clear her conscience, she returned the Naval Rifle to me. <br><br>When I examined the returned rifle, it was in sad shape. the barrel and lock were covered with a coat of rust, the stock was covered with dust, dirt and grime. Worst of all-the barrel had rusted and developed some light pitting.<br><br>Apparantly, the rifle had spent a decade and a half sitting in the corner of a garage somewhere. So I cleaned the rifle up, but because of the pitting decided that I would not use it in N-SSA competition. Matter of fact, I didn't even bother to shoot it-just put it up in "retirement."<br><br>Well, last week, I cleaned the rifle again and decided I might as well shoot it. I had some musket ammo (44.3 Grains of Goex FFFg and the Hodgdon Bullet) left over from the Fall Nationals at Fort Shenandoah-so I benched the P-H.<br><br>My first 5 shot group at 50 yards 'Off The Bench' had to be a "FLUKE" (I thought) because the bullets were grouped in one ragged hole in the target!<br><br>A few more 5 shot groups, and the P-H just kept shooting them into "One Hole Groups." BOY! Was I pleased! By then I was really astounded at the grouping ability of the P-H!<br><br>Back at 100 yards, the story is just about the same, although the groups have opened up somewhat. Best of all, the P-H is already "sighted in" perfectly so far as my "Windage" is concerend. <br><br>So I have suddenly retired my Richmond from Skirmishing and re-enlisted my "Old Friend," the P-H Naval Rifle!<br><br>Oh Yes, I am also re-married to a woman that is MUCH younger than the ex, much prettier, and a "Sweetheart" that helps me make ammo for Skrmishing.<br><br>What more could one ask for? Life Is Good!

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